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Implementation of BLE Live Data for Smart #1 and #3

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TomTomZoe

It would be nice if ABRP can implement a BLE live data connection for all Smart #1 and #3 car models.

The CarScanner App with database 1.105.7 is already able to read live data from the CANBus of Smart #1 and #3 cars (and Volvo EX30) via BLE.

Therefore I think it would be possible for ABRP to use the informations out of the CarScanner profile for Smart #1/Volvo EX30 and implement it into the ABRP app.

The available Smart model variants are:

47kWh useable LFP battery, RWD:
#1 Pro, #3 Pro

62kWh useable NCM battery, RWD:
#1 Pro+, #3 Pro+

62kWh useable NCM battery, RWD, Silizium-Carbid inverter:
#1 Premium, #3 Premium

62kWh useable NCM battery, AWD, Silizium-Carbid inverter:
#1 Pulse, #1 Brabus, #3 Brabus

Please note that #3 has significantly lower air resistance than #1.

All Smart #1 and #3 owners would be very grateful for that!

2024-04-04 -

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Katya_ABRP

Merged with: Smart#1 OBDII connectivity issues

Rainer Drath

iOS latest version.
iPhone 15 Pro max
ABPR latest version
Smart #1 Premium 66kWh 22kW

Katya_ABRP

Merged with: Smart #1 ODB Live data totally wrong!

Tony Dau

The ODB connection on the Smart #1 has a lot of issues (ABRP 5.0.2 android 14).

I have been trying to use ODBlink CX for nearly 4 weeks now, but 90% of time, it lose connection and doesn't record anything. This has been also mentioned on the ODB link forum by many users. Most of the time, ABRP will show the ODB connected, but yet doesn't read any data... it then show a message of "x min/hours without ODB Data but yet will show as green connected on android auto.

Again, Yesterday, I did a long drive, all started well, connected and reading my battery 80% all good, it planned the route and started to drive... after few minutes, it showed 13% battery (battery level before my charge stop) whereas I still had 75% on the car. Started to reroute with stops telling me that I won't have enough charge to complete my journey.

Another one, ABRP reported 13% SOC, yet I will have 52% remaining when arriving at my next stop, see attached ??? (very efficient regen !!!)...

The ODB connection is very unstable with no "read" event, only "connected" and "writing"? This has been reproduced using all the recommended ODB dongles and many differents type of phones by other users...
This totally mess up my consumption and route planning.

I have a 13 hrs journey coming up and I am scared that ABRP will mess it up completely while driving...
PLEASE fix this asap. or at least work on it (don't ignore premium/paying users by not following up on forum queries please) Please...

Premium for me means ODB to have real time SoC and comsumption while driving (adapting to changing conditions) and also recording trip and charge stops. None of that currently works correctly
Please let us know.
Thanks

Katya_ABRP

Merged with: VLinker MC+ on Smart#1 problema

FireSmart#1

Hello, I use a vLinker MC+ Mini Bluetooth OBD II scanner in a Smart#1 Premium. When connecting, everything works and the OBD scanner is found and connected. After that, the percentage display always flashes green and orange back and forth. And it looks like ABRP doesn't get any data from OBD II. I know the Smart#1 is still new in the app, it would be nice if you could look at it again. Thanks so much

Juergen Pruy

Verbindung via ABRP und dem OBD funktioniert aber es wird kein Akkustand ausgelesen. Gehe ich zurück auf Einstellungen ist meine Verbingung nicht mit dem Smart doch nicht erfolgt. Zumindest wird mein Profil als nicht vollständig angezeigt. ABRP informiert i h kann auch später mich mit den Daten verbinden.

TomTomZoe

ABRP V5.0.10 (3052)
iPhone 12 Pro iOS 18.0.1

Dear ABRP team, can we Smart drivers still expect error-free OBD integration this year?
That would be a nice Christmas present.

TomTomZoe

ABRP V5.0.10 (3052)
iPhone 12 Pro iOS 18.0.1

Dear ABRP team, can we Smart drivers still expect error-free OBD integration this year?
That would be a nice Christmas present.

Tony Dau

TbH, I gave up long ago and cancelled my subscription. Even with the right ODB it does not work... sad really, this had potential...

PG1977MB

or at least any feedback on the status, no response to our request for months now :(

TomTomZoe

ABRP V5.0.9 (3025)
iPhone 12 Pro iOS 18.0

I have the impression that the biggest bugs of V5.0.x have now been fixed by ABRP, one could assume that the topic “OBD connection of Smart #1 and #3” can now gain more priority again.

Do I see that correctly? Is there any progress for the Smart # vehicles, @Katya_ABRP?

TomTomZoe

Hi Juergen
Same issue like here:
abrp.upvoty.com/b/report-a-bug/smart-1-odb-live-data-totally-wrong/
Please vote there.

TomTomZoe

ABRP V5.0.7 (2993)
iPhone 12 Pro iOS 17.6.1

Yesterday I was totally surprised that the OBD worked for me for about 90 minutes, until I got out with the smartphone and got back in after a short break, then it was vinegar again.

In my opinion, all OBD values are displayed correctly, except for the location, which is empty.

Diederik

It also worked for me 2 or 3 trips to my surprise but I’ve no idea how to reproduce to make it work but most of the times it doesn’t work (gives one new value when reconnecting Bluetooth)

TomTomZoe

If‘ve just uploaded a bug report through the ABRP app. Dated July 30th, 19:46.

Diederik

If you disconnect Bluetooth on your phone and then reconnect you will get a new reading.

If you do this once in a while it will more or less stay updated. Not what it should be of course but better than nothing at all

Tony Dau

This is very hard and dangerous to do while driving, simply to force a refresh of SOC for ABRP...
And stopping on the side of the road just to do this is not good either.
it also means I lose android auto (wireless) and music when doing that... not great indeed...
One of the paying feature that I am interested in is the recording of my trips, charges and real time calculation of my consumption for adaptive route plan... none of that can work if you need to force a read manually (BT on/off).

TomTomZoe

Just use as an addition the Hello # App which also feeds ABRP Webserver with live data.

Diederik

@Tony Dau
When the phone is on the wireless charger you can easily disconnect and reconnect Bluetooth (at least on an iPhone that I use). The connection is only lost for a few seconds.

But as I told it’s not ideal of course

Diederik

@TomTomZoe
For that you need to keep the hello # app open. That drains the battery of the phone

TomTomZoe

To avoid this just use the cable connection and not WiFi ;-)

TomTomZoe

Katya from ABRP Team wrote there:
abrp.upvoty.com/b/report-a-bug/smart-1-odb-live-data-totally-wrong/

„We really try to focus our resources on resolving issues rather than adding new features. Working out the connection for Smart vehicles will have to wait if users are experiencing general issues with navigation etc.“

So we Smart drivers must continue to be patient until we get a functioning OBD connection.

Tony Dau

Yep, perhaps we should also stop paying our premium subscription for an ODB feature that doesn't work until ABRP is ready to take our money once again by fixing the odblink?
This is quite strange that any other ODB reader software app I have used so far (car scanner etc) can read the ODB data from Smart without any issue, yet ABRP can't (there seems to be only one read event when the connection is reseted, then it is all writing event without read???
Sadly I am on a yearly subscription until May 2025...
@Katya_ABRP
Can I get a refund until the time the ODB link is fixed and you are ready for me to be one of your paying customer once again?

Katya_ABRP

Hi Tony,

This might not be rooted in issues specific to Smart vehicles. We've had some more general issues with;

1. OBD connection itself
2. Slow plan refresh causing the OBD connection to be dropped

We are working on remediating both issues.

As TomTomZoe mentions the implementation and OBD commands for Smart vehicles is also still in the works; abrp.upvoty.com/b/obd-requests/implement-ble-live-data-for-smart-1/

If you have reported this issue to us previously without feedback, please feel free to link it here.

/Katya

Tony Dau

Perfect, thanks. Indeed, I am also on the ODB request thread, but you haven't replied on that one for a while; hence, I created this bug report.
I am glad this is not an isolated issue to smart as this must affect quite a large number of your premium members. Hopeful for a fix soon.
Thanks once again for working on this. Don't hesitate if you need screenshots, etc.
When the connection is stable, the reading and recording seem fine, so the commands seem OK... when looking at ABRP messages on the live data screen... I hardly see any "reading" event. Only one when resetting the link (BT on/off) after reconnecting, which correctly updates the SoC etc.
Increasing the frequency of reading commands in your app may keep the connection alive ???

TomTomZoe

It also bothers me that you sometimes don't get any feedback for weeks.

ABRP should at least let you know that they are working on solving the problem, maybe even let you know how far along they are, or when you can expect a solution.

But this way you call into the forest and get no response for weeks. That's frustrating.

Katya_ABRP

We really try to focus our resources on resolving issues rather than adding new features. Working out the connection for Smart vehicles will have to wait if users are experiencing general issues with navigation etc.

TomTomZoe

It would be very helpful for the users to communicate this to them in the corresponding threads.
Thank you very much.

abrp.upvoty.com/b/obd-requests/implement-ble-live-data-for-smart-1/

PG1977MB

Hi Katya_ABRP, just wondering, whether there was any progress. It's already been some time since your last update, however, we are still waiting for a remediation and any update on the current status would be highly appreciated.

Best, Piotr

Tony Dau

Also, why can in link another ODB when I already have one linked??? Surely it should be either link or unlinked but not both at the same time? Does ABRP not recognised the ODB dongle as fully linked already?
In the Edit Connection of the Live Data Menu, both options are shown. Bug?

Katya_ABRP

Hi, not a bug, it is simply possible to link several devices.

TomTomZoe

ABRP can use BLE and API connection at the same time.

BLE connection to an OBD Dongle delivers the most data of your car. API data is always restricted to some main values.

TomTomZoe

This happens also with the Vgate vLinker MC+ and Vgate iCar Pro 4.0 BLE, it's not specific to the ODBlink CX dongle, but a general problem of the implementation of OBD for the Smart #1 and #3.

You come from
abrp.upvoty.com/b/obd-requests/implement-ble-live-data-for-smart-1/

As a work around for the moment I'm using the "Hello #" App for iOS: apps.apple.com/de/app/hello/id6476509809
You can use the "SMore#" App for Android: play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.more.hashtag
Both support a API connection to ABRP where not only the SOC is transfered to ABRP.

ABRP supports both a API connection to that apps and also a direct OBD BLE connection at the same time.

Tony Dau

Thanks. Hopefully they will fix the ODB live data soon.
How do you connect ABRP to Smore# ? I can't see anywhere to put the API key?

TomTomZoe

I'm only using Hello # for iOS, I don't have any Android Smartphone. You may get an answer to your question here:
www.smart-emotion.de/forum/board/84-smore-android-app/

Christian G

to be fair, they also said:

---
This might not be rooted in issues specific to Smart vehicles. We've had some more general issues with;

1. OBD connection itself
2. Slow plan refresh causing the OBD connection to be dropped

We are working on remediating both issues.
---

I'm with Katya on that one. She's saying they are trying for fix a global bug impacting all OBD for all brands of vehicle. You can't expect a solution on Smart alone.

Maybe I should not have returned both VGate OBD2 to amazon after all.

Tony Dau

Agreed. I don't want a fix specific to the smart, I simply want the ODBlink to work asap as this is the feature that make me go premium and pay the subscription. If this unstable ODB connection impacts other cars too, they should certainly put this at the highest priority since a "paid for" feature doesn't work for many of their premium customers...

Tony Dau

Hi All,
I have raised a bug report for the ustable ODB connection on Smart #1.
Please up vote the bug report so that ABRP can prioritise it... (yesterday, it reported 13% SoC with 52% remaining at desitnation... super efficient regen 🤣🤣🤣
abrp.upvoty.com/b/report-a-bug/smart-1-odb-live-data-totally-wrong/

TomTomZoe

ABRP V5.0.1 (2826)
iPhone 12 Pro iOS 17.5.1

Unfortunately this workaround doesn’t work for me.
I‘ve disconnected and reconnected the Bluetooth connection 10 times, but got no stable OBD transfer.

Diederik

Today I was able to get a stable Bluetooth connection that kept sending data. I did this by switching off and on the Bluetooth on my phone a few times (while at traffic lights) until it was stable like that. Took me 3 or 4 times. Didn’t need to plug out the connector or press any button on the connector, just switching Bluetooth on my iPhone a few times

Hans-Peter Masloff

ABRP V5.0.1
iPhone 15 Pro Max iOS 17.5.1
OBDLINK CX

I can confirm the following quote:
"Unfortunately ARBP still seems not to be able to use the OBD Data after few seconds".

ABRP still seems to be connected to the OBDLINK CX with a green Bluetooth symbol, but is unable to synchronize the data.

TomTomZoe

@Linda
See also issues listed here:
abrp.upvoty.com/b/obd-requests/implement-ble-live-data-for-smart-1/

ABRP writes and reads data from OBD only once, after that it only writes but makes no further attempt to read from OBD. :-(

FireSmart#1

I seem to have expressed myself incorrectly. By scanner, I meant the OBD II dongle and not the Car Scanner app. The OBD II dongle is only connected to the ABRP app with nothing else. Sorry for the confusion.

Linda

Hi
You can't connect the OBD to the scanner and ABRP at the same time. You need to unlink the OBD from the scanner.

TomTomZoe

Hi @Katya_ABRP,
Has your team already been able to analyze the error and determine the cause?
When can we expect an update?

TomTomZoe

ABRP V4.7.11 (2756)
iPhone 12 Pro iOS 17.5.1
Vgate iCar Pro 4.0 BLE / Vgate VLinker MC+ BLE 4.0

Unfortunately ARBP still seems not to be able to use the OBD Data after few seconds:
The screenshot shows that there was no OBD Data connection in the last 13 minutes.

Diederik

When switching off and on the Bluetooth connection on the phone manually a new value is received and then it stops receiving again

Tony Dau

Same with obdlink cx so likely to be abrp software side rather than odb dongle.

FireSmart#1

ABRP V4.7.11 (2756)
iPhone 15 iOS 17.5.1
Vgate iCar Pro 4.0 BLE / Vgate VLinker MC+ BLE 4.0

I have the same problem. Set up gibg without any problems. The value for the battery level also went down at first, even if it always took a long time. Well, about The value started to jump for 10 minutes and went back to the star value and stopped there. It would be nice if you could fix it.

kliffkante

ABRP V 4.7.11
Iphone 15 Pro 17.5.1
Veepeak OBDCheck BLE Bluetooth 4.0 OBD II

Connection with Dongle successful - everything green

While driving the Dongle/ABRP disconnects (red BT Symbol) aprox. every 20 Seconds but then reconnects immediately. The SoC-Sync also das not work exactly and jumps between numbers.

Diederik

I also had this issue but on a recent trip the issue didn’t appear

Diederik

For me the issue is back again

TomTomZoe

ABRP V4.7.11 (2756)
iPhone 12 Pro iOS 17.5.1
Vgate iCar Pro 4.0 BLE / Vgate VLinker MC+ BLE 4.0

The connection to the BLE dongle is established successfully.
The ABRP OBD icon turns green.

It starts transferring the first data by writing and reading every five seconds.
But after a few seconds, it only writes every five seconds and no longer reads anything.
The ABRP BLE icon turns red and briefly changes to green every five seconds before changing back to red. And that recurring.

I have tested with two of the officially supported OBD dongles.
www.iternio.com/abrp-obd
Vgate iCar Pro 4.0 BLE and Vgate VLinker MC+ BLE 4.0

With both I get this issue.

Philipp

I have observed this issue as well. Using a vlinker mc+ dongle

T212

Same here. But I saw things working fine twice, but couldn't reproduce this. It's always connecting via BLE instantly, but then it shows xyz seconds/minutes/hours without OBD data. But it stays connected via BLE, the BLE LED on the device stays blue and ABRP shows "Writing" every now and then, but no "reading" etc.

Vgate vLinker MC+

TomTomZoe

Great! Thank you very much, ABRP team!
Connection over BLE is established.

I’m going to test the plausibilty of the transferred OBD data to the ABRP app.

Katya_ABRP

Hi all,

This is now implemented and live so please test and report back to us!

/Katya

Christian G

Hi. Thank you so much

Safely the first attempt fails.

TomTomZoe

Which OBD Dongle do you use?
A list of supported BLE Dongles is here:
www.iternio.com/abrp-obd

TomTomZoe

@Katya_ABRP
Do you already have any initial findings as to what could be causing the problems with the stable reading of data via the Bluetooth connection?

Tony Dau

Hi
I got the ODBlink CX tonight.
Abrp 5.0.0

Connected to the odblink app first to update to the latest firmware. Then disconnected and connected with ABRP immediately, all green.
When using it, it first reads the data the first time it connect and then Amber logo with no data for x minutes. I do get the occasional green write logo.
Please help... to fix this ASAP. Thank you

Tony Dau

Short drive this morning...
Abrp 5.0.0
Odblink Cx stayed green all the time, connected with alternating message of "writing" and "connected" every few sec. The connection was stable
NO "reading" message though...
the SoC was capture when starting, then no change during the trip.
Abrp "My drive" trip log record 0% battery usage (-3% on the car for that trip) and "infinite mi/kWh"!.

Katya_ABRP

Hi Happytoon,

Have you verified that the OBDLink CX dongle is updated to latest firmware version and then that the dongle is NOT linked to the OBDLink app?

/Katya

Tony Dau

Hi Katya,
Thanks, Yes, the first thing I did was to update the firmware (via the ODBlink app). I then disconnect from the app and open ABRP. When I reset the bluetooth (on/off), ABRP read the SoC value. I will uninstall the odblink app to be complete certain and let you know. Thanks

Tony Dau

Hi Katya,
I now have remove entirely any ODB app from my phone and only kept ABRP. ODBLink Cx shows as "connected" and "writing" + green icon, but doesn't read values. The connection seems stable (no amber / red icons)
The only way it works/reads as expected is if I turn BT on/off first, forcing ABRP to reconnect, then it reads SoC and records as expected during driving.
If I open ABRP without first turning bt on/off, it shows the ODBLink as connected and writing (green icon) but also "data last sync..." when I last used it (no new/recent sync). The only way to force the sync is to first turn BT on/off, then it sync as expected. (is this because the app goes to sleep and doesn't restart when back on again?). Can you look at your Sync call/trigger in your app, when is this trigger (when the app/android auto is used, when the odb is connected?).
Thanks
Tony

TomTomZoe

Hi @Katya_ABRP

Since 25 days Feedback from smart users.
Does ABRP has Feedback about any improvement for the smart users now?

Tony Dau

Hi Katya,
Do you/ABRP have any update on the lack of ODB read / connection?
When the app is started, ABRP reports it is "connected" to the ODBLink CX with a writing event but then often goes back to amber and shows "last sync ..." some time ago.
Unless I manually turn my BT off and on again to force ABRP to reconnect and read the SoC, there is no update and ABRP reports 0% SoC and unlimited range when recording my drives... It's not great for estimating my can consumption. It will also start the journey with the last sync SoC % (which could be days old and with recharge since). The route planning and planned stop are then all wrong...
Please update us on when this will be fixed. Most users seem to report the same issue independently of the ODB Dongle we are using.
Looking forward to your update.
Thank you
Tony.

Tony Dau

Juergen Pruy

Unfortunately the implemented ODB connection is not working. No data can be read from ABRP. After adding from my car, Smart #1 Brabus, connect to Live data the OBD, ODBlink MC+, is visible in the app. I select this ODB link. Some counting numbers are visible and informing OBD connection was succesfull. Unfortunately no data can we read from this connection. The manual added SOC can't be updated from ABRP. The OBD connection, if i check the dongle, the Bluetooth LED is Blinking, means no conection. BR Jürgen

Ludo P

It would be nice indeed.

Diederik

I’ve bought a BLE connector two weeks ago for ABRP. It shows all the necessary data in CarScanner so I really hope you add the connection in ABRP soon for us enthousiastic smart #1/#3 drivers.

For CarScanner the config file is the same for smart #1/#3 AND Volvo EX30. They’re all build on the same Geely platform and also for the OBD2 communication they seem similar. Maybe this also helps.

Tony Dauvillier

Please implement this ASAP. I would go premium for that... I have a smart #1 premium and needs live data (odb is currentlynrhe only way!)

TomTomZoe

@Samuel_ABRP
We would be very pleased if you could let the Smart enthusiasts know whether the data determined and collected by Christian G is sufficient for ABRP and when the ABRP team could start with the OBD implementation for the Smart #1 and #3.
Many thanks!

Roadrunner17

I need ABRP supporting smart #1 live data before activate premium account for this EV Car.

Christian G

hello, we provided everything you asked for at gist.github.com/chriscatuk/ebb704356d4527d9cf0ade76e57e8682

I think there's nothing missing for ABRP to start supporting Smart #1 and #3. If I missed something please let us know what else you might need.

Thanks!

TomTomZoe

(Moved)

Manni B

Waiting desperately and reason I would go premium

AntLo

Yes please implement this

Christian G

@Katya_ABRP I made good progress with the Terminal in Car Scanner and I copied the result at gist.github.com/chriscatuk/ebb704356d4527d9cf0ade76e57e8682

I wrote all the init commands I used and all the conversions I could find for Voltage, Current, soc

edit: shortened

Christian G

we think we made a breakthrough and found how to get the SoC. We'll confirm with more mesures in the coming days. I'll keep updating the Gist.

Christian G

dear ABRP support, could we have some feedback on what we have already provided in the gist above?

Christian G

moved

TomTomZoe

Is ABRP not able (or not allowed) to use the OBD PID commands which are already known and available in CarScanner?

Katya_ABRP

Hi TomTomZoe,

As far as we know the OBD commands are not displayed publicly in the CarScanner app. We've reached out to the developer but sadly we've not received any response.

/Katya

Christian G

when I ask for support on Car Scanner, it prepares an email with a log.txt files with all the history of commands. Because it was connected to my smart #1, I can see what looks like init_commands. but I'm not sure I recognise data_commands.

Christian G

I shared everything I have at www.smart-emotion.de/forum/thread/2440-abrp-obd2-pids-commands/#wcf20 in hope that the community can make sense of the logs from car scanner. because I could not.

Christian G

moved

Tony Dauvillier

@katya_ABRP can you please check the file Christian G has shared above (12 days ago) with some.command... can you please implement on your side? And let us know.
Thanks
gist.github.com/chriscatuk/ebb704356d4527d9cf0ade76e57e8682

Katya_ABRP

Status changed to: User Feedback

Katya_ABRP

Hi TomTomZoe,

We need the OBD PID commands and how to interpret the returned data. Since this is not easily available for most vehicles there is not possibility for us to provide a time estimate.

You can check our telemetry API for relevant properties:
documenter.getpostman.com/view/7396339/SWTK5a8w

Also, you can check our (partially outdated) OBD repository to see what other cars report:
www.github.com/iternio/ev-obd-pids

/Katya

Christian G

@Katya_ABRP

I try to understand the logs from car scanner app on iOS but could you help?

I only focus at first on SoC and share the logs at
gist.github.com/chriscatuk/ebb704356d4527d9cf0ade76e57e8682

why does
```
224801
1EC6AE80056248017E09
```
is read as something like 64.32% ? I can't find the Hexadecimal in 1EC6AE80056248017E09 and OBD2 documentation at canlogger1000.csselectronics.com/img/OBD2-frame-raw-mode-PID-ID-bytes.svg makes me expect a 1EC as the CAN ID and 6A as the bytes to read. I can't identify A and B for example.

Diederik

You can find a lot more about the different calculations per PID overhere:

github.com/tomjackman/obd-decoder/blob/master/routes/index.js

For example a temperature is calculated like this:

/*
Decodes the temperature data value for a number of PID's.
@param data {String} The PID data to decode.
*/
function decodeTemperature(data) {
var a = hexToDecimal(data);
return toTwoDecimalPlaces(toTwoDecimalPlaces(a - 40));
}

For each PID the bytes have different calculations to get to a readable values…

It’s not very simple

Tony Dauvillier

Hi Katya,
Do you have any update on this, Christian G has provided a lot of info and response to your questions...
If the ODB route is too hard for your team, can you use the Build-in android auto carinfo API instead (no need for ODB?). The Native android Auto API can read live data directly from the carm including SoC, Mileage, Speed, EVStatus (charging, charging port opened), EV profile (type of connectors ets).
This is what Google uses for GoogleMap on EV...
developer.android.com/reference/androidx/car/app/hardware/info/CarInfo

Christian G

I suppose screenshots in English are more helpful. Car scanner is showing all those data already with BLE.

Would it help if we provide the detailed command PID behind each of those parameters? or is this screenshot enough?

Eric Bornand

Yes I would be pleased to transfer my #1 datas direct to ABRP

Kasimir

Please implement the ODB-2 integration for Smart #1 and #3

Ugo Bonnard

yes i want. !!!

Andreas Lettow

Please!

Linda

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